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j brady
tulsa,
USA
Posts: 57
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
25 Aug 2008 14:23 |
are our lovely brit bikes going to be a product of the orient?? mcn reports bloor is moving to a cheaper labor market. if that is so , what is your opinion of the long term for triumph??
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
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Sprint RS (02-05)
25 Aug 2008 14:42 |
Well it is not new news, they've had a factory there for ages.
But it is no different from any other manufactorer........
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J-Zeus
London,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
25 Aug 2008 15:09 |
By preference I'd like to see them built in Blighty....and I reckon if they are not then you'd lose some of the subtleties that set them apart.
Having said that, it wouldn't deter me fro buying another one if they keep standards up....
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M0M0
Bad Vilbel & WinXele,
Belgium
Posts: 1,019
Daytona 955i (02)
25 Aug 2008 15:35 |
If they move the production to China, then we have two possibilities... or out bikes get cheaper or Bloor get even more richer.
What do you think he would do..?
So... one more reason to change brand.
M0M0
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
25 Aug 2008 18:22 |
WALOB
Triumph have a Manufacturing plant in Thailand for years. If you bought a bike in the last few years you will have Thai produced parts on your bike.
There is an assembly plant in Thailand now that has been increasing it's output rapidly to match the rise in bike sales. The reason for doing that is that it is almost impossible to increase production in the UK without spending millions
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
25 Aug 2008 18:23 |
P.S. If you look at all the bike manufacturers you will find that they all have plants in Thailand/China
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The Rt Hon Captain Trumpy
07 Fartblid sussex,
United Kingdom
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25 Aug 2008 19:48 |
I'm not sure if this is true but apparently Honda have got a secret factory in Japan!!! 
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 §peêd†riÞ
Surrey/Hants border,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
25 Aug 2008 19:49 |
thats incredible !
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
25 Aug 2008 19:52 |
unbelievable 
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phil
basingstoke,
United Kingdom
Posts: 66
Sprint ST (05->)
25 Aug 2008 21:06 |
I have always bought Triumphs purely based on patriotism and it helps that they are good bikes anyway.
But if production goes abroad my money will be supporting foreign workers and a few Brit fat cats.
Therefore any future purchase will be based purely on which is the best bike.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
25 Aug 2008 21:11 |
Production is already abroad but in addition to Hinckley not instead of
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phil
basingstoke,
United Kingdom
Posts: 66
Sprint ST (05->)
25 Aug 2008 22:04 |
Yes Blizzard, i realise my bike is partly foreign but a whole bike, not remotely British makes me sad.
They will loose a lot of customers who think like me.
Maybe its time for me to try that ZZR1400.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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26 Aug 2008 00:52 |
Blizz, don't go letting facts get in the way of a good story.
Every manufacturer builds bikes in other countries OR buys a large amount of parts from other countries, it's the global economy. We have 'Aussie' companies here that don't make a single thing in this country, welcome to 2008. If you bought a bike purely out of patriotism then that is up to you. If you want to support a British company that builds bikes in the UK AND overseas then you can still buy a Triumph and fly the flag. After investing so much in the UK I can't see them shifting manufacturing totally offshore and alienating a large % of buyers.
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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26 Aug 2008 10:40 |
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After investing so much in the UK I can't see them shifting manufacturing totally offshore and alienating a large % of buyers.
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That is exactly what thy are proposing if the story is true, Hinckley will just become a depot for distribution.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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26 Aug 2008 10:49 |
I haven't seen the article so can't comment on what he said, I don't think it is accessible online. It is MCN so I assume there is no truth.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
26 Aug 2008 11:36 |
MCN:
....massive expansion of it's Thai operation..... |
Not seen anything about stopping, or even cutting production at Hinckley
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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26 Aug 2008 11:45 |
Yes all I have seen is that they are expanding their Thai operation, did they say in MCN that they will be stopping production in the UK ?
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
26 Aug 2008 11:51 |
Not that I've seen.
And I still buy it every week
And I suspect Triumph would have something to say, if they did.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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26 Aug 2008 11:53 |
[edited]:
So where exactly is the story that they are stopping production in the UK ? Or was the story just concerning the Thai expansion ?
There is a quote, also in MCN saying 'the UK plant will continue to operate all existing manufacturing processes including all research design and development and the current volume of chassis assembly in the UK will be maintained'
Even trying to read between the lines I can't see any mention of moving all production.
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
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26 Aug 2008 13:04 |
I think you'll still see the "big" (expensive) bikes produced here, even if most of the components are sourced elsewhere. Smaller machinery made in Ting Tong.
As has been stated, will the price drop accordingly, or not?
Mate recently got back from Thailand, saw the Chon Buri plant, said it was fecking huge, too big for just components, so figures it will be full scale production.
Question is, what will define a Triumph now? Why buy one if a better machine is more readily available, more reliable and has better dealer back up?
I think a lot of us, particularly those who purchased bikes in the early days of Hinckley felt a certain sense of pride knowing the castings of the engines came from West Brom, and that you were keeping fellow Brits in jobs. It was genuinely pleasant to go to the factory and see guys machining parts and hand bending exhausts.
I know for some on the site, it doesn't matter where the bike is made, but why buy a Thai made, British badged Bonnie, when i can get anything from the Japanese 4 for cheaper, knowing full well it won't go pop, and will have the back up i need just in case it does.
I know BMW are doing the same thing. All of their engines except the Boxer and the big IL4 are made in the Far east. And they still charge German prices for their bikes.
Still, as most of the industry we had as a nation has gone, why should anyone really care if Hinckley become a distribution centre?
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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26 Aug 2008 13:27 |
Twas the Kevin Ash column this week that seems to take the step forward when commenting on the previous weeks article and TBH it is reading between the lines a little...but it dpoes mention that chassis assembley will continue at hinckley..so nothing made their just assembly of Thai parts?
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
26 Aug 2008 13:57 |
It's old news.
Parts are made in Hinckley and shipped to Thailand for assembly there.
Different parts are made in Thailand and shipped to Hinckley for assembly.
Other parts are sourced and shipped to the appropriate place for assembly
It's been the case for several years now and will continue to be the case
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J-Zeus
London,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
26 Aug 2008 14:11 |
I know BMW are doing the same thing. All of their engines except the Boxer and the big IL4 are made in the Far east. And they still charge German prices for their bikes.:
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Which is why Triumph will (is) follow suit -- It, like all else, will be driven by accountants ( sorry RB ) bottom line....the beans will inexorably highlight the fact they can do more for less in the far east....damping any further investment / expansion at Hinckley. They wont be daft enough to close Hinckley, it'll just become less and less in the overall company.
Shame really.
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M0M0
Bad Vilbel & WinXele,
Belgium
Posts: 1,019
Daytona 955i (02)
26 Aug 2008 16:42 |
It is like those fake Chinese watches. It has on the dial "Movement from Japan". So, next will be on your Triumph... "Designed in the UK".
M.
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
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26 Aug 2008 17:23 |
yep and the bean counters will soon cotton on to the parts made in Thai shipped next door to be assembled and parts made in hinckley are cheaper to make in Thailand and shipping is much less when only going next door and where will that leave hinckley? finish assembly of bikes for sale in Britain, saving dealers having to do it?
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Nige Woodward
Tamworth,
United Kingdom
Posts: 77
Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 08:59 |
If they are making them abroad to meet demand because they can't afford to expand in Great Britain it's something we have to accept. My employer gets 80% of it's product made by external suppliers worldwide. When people see the logo on an engine they still regard it as a British product. It's not the first time Triumph products have been manufactured abroad. In the 70's some T140 frames were made in Italy to meet costs / demand.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
27 Aug 2008 09:14 |
Didn't I read somewhere, that they couldn't expand the Hinckley factory ?
Council/planning permission related
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Nick Mavrostomos D.C.
USA /Bedminster/NJ,
USA
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Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
27 Aug 2008 17:32 |
Manufacturers are moving back to the US due to fuel costs/transport decreasing profits of overseas cheap labor.
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andy d
Yorkshire,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (05->)
27 Aug 2008 18:28 |
Rob,
You did, several years ago they applied to build a huge new factory but the council told them to bollox.
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
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27 Aug 2008 18:31 |
probably have been sold on by now to make a housing estate....(cynical mode:off)
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (04->)
27 Aug 2008 18:58 |
It's probably the housing estate across the road that's the problem
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
United Kingdom
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27 Aug 2008 19:09 |
yup, bloor wanted to build houses where the factory is but bought it before getting planning....
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sam wilman
portsmouth,
United Kingdom
Posts: 11
Daytona T595 (97-98)
28 Aug 2008 18:49 |
I work for BMW and they build cars in many countrys all over the world- america, uk, south africa, china, germany and more!
But you still asscociate them with being GERMAN!!
Just bite the bullet, If you were going to buy a new Triumph you would still be buying a BRITISH bike! If john bloor can use thailand to take triumph up a peg then they can compeat with the japs, make and sell bikes at a smaller cost to us and for him then great, But if they dont use thailand then would you be happy to sit and moan as yet again this BRITISH firm go under!!
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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28 Aug 2008 19:16 |
or bloor continues to market them as niche bikes for niche markets, makes them cheaper but makes a whole lot more prfit....I'll continue to buy my niche market bikes from Italy, where at least I know they have been made (mainly) in the country they come from using mainly Italian parts.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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28 Aug 2008 21:59 |
Sam, I agree it is just the global economy, it makes sense for ALL manufacturers to do it, Triumph certainly wont be the last European brand to move SOME production offshore.
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Rob Heys
Hessen,
Germany
Posts: 148
Sprint ST (05->)
29 Aug 2008 10:50 |
"or bloor continues to market them as niche bikes for niche markets, makes them cheaper but makes a whole lot more prfit...."
Good grief. Triumph! Making a Profit!
John Bloor getting a return on his investment after 15 years!
Well we certainly don't want that do we?
God forbid that a British business should be successful.
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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29 Aug 2008 12:27 |
I think you'll find bloor has been getting a return on his investment for a few years now...Blizz?
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Wobs
Derby,
United Kingdom
Posts: 62
Daytona 675 (06->)
29 Aug 2008 20:11 |
"bloor continues to market them as niche bikes for niche markets"
What do you mean? How are Triumphs marketed as niche bikes for niche markets? Aren't the latest Triumphs specifically aimed at mass markets? Daytona 675, Tiger 1050, Street Triple, Thunderbird - all aimed at very big markets. Now the Rocket III, THAT's a niche market, but all the most recent new bikes are not.
On what basis was the quoted statement made?
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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29 Aug 2008 20:21 |
Because they are marketed as being "British" and as others have commented many are purchased just because they are "British" and for no other reason. Even when they constantly break down they are forgiven because they are "British". That is what many are bemoaning with the move towards Far Eastern builds. Me I'm happy with my Italian crap.
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Wobs
Derby,
United Kingdom
Posts: 62
Daytona 675 (06->)
29 Aug 2008 22:31 |
OK - I don't equate "British" as "niche" - for me a "niche" market is a small market, i.e. an odd little sub-sector.
So you buy Ducatis because they're made in Italy from Italian bits? I recall reading a very interesting document Ducati had on their website a while ago, where they made public their plans for the medium-term future of the company (I've just had a look for it but couldn't find it). They stated they would be sourcing more components from outside Italy in future - preumably to reduce costs or improve reliability, or both. What will you do? Maybe you could move to Royal Enfield, as I'm fairly sure they're built in India from Indian parts - in fact I bet there's fewer non-Indian parts on them than there are non-Italian parts on a Ducati. Oh, and they're crap too, so they should suit you just fine.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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29 Aug 2008 23:47 |
Triumph aren't a niche manufacturer, they are a small scale manufacturer that appeals to the mass market and are priced accordingly. It is plainly absurd to call them a niche supplier.
As I said ALL manufacturers will go down the same path or perish, Ducati no doubt will follow suit before too long.
I heard Hyosung have a pretty good reputation 
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Bob Southgate
London,
United Kingdom
Posts: 677
Sprint ST (02-04)
30 Aug 2008 12:44 |
Spondontwat:
I heard Hyosung have a pretty good reputation |
Yes I hear they have a warranty department that doesn't treat their customers with utter contempt, unlike Swepson and co at Hinckley
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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30 Aug 2008 13:05 |
NO I buy Ducati because I appreciate a phenomenal handling bike with an engine that not only has character but also is reliable so i can't buy a triumph.......
I also have a Chinese made twist and go scooter which was cheap. Unlike a Triumph.
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chief lurker
preston lancs,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
31 Aug 2008 18:16 |
sodin ell i need a drink after reading this lot
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Rob Heys
Hessen,
Germany
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Sprint ST (05->)
01 Sep 2008 10:21 |
"I buy Ducati because I appreciate a phenomenal handling bike with an engine that ......is reliable so i can't buy a triumph"
Interesting that in the German "Motorrad" magazine 50,000 km test the Ducati 1098 has just given up the ghost after 25,000km due to a piston cracking.
The Triumph Sprint, in contrast, after 50,000 km, got the highest score of any bike, better than the Honda VFR and various BMWs (although since then the CBF 1000 has scored better).
Rob
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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01 Sep 2008 10:26 |
No you must be wrong, Triumphs are crap, I read it on here somewhere.
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X-Man
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01 Sep 2008 11:29 |
lasted a bit longer than the T595 that one of the mags tested then. Bit of a different engine though, cooking triple v's a out and out sport bike twin. But then why should we do fair comparrisons.........one bad Ducati happens to be put against the one good Triumph engine built in the last 10 years.....
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Blizzard
Coventry,
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Daytona 955i (04->)
01 Sep 2008 17:49 |
actually it was a 955 with a couple of hundred miles that MCN decided to thrash for 24 hours on running in oil
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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01 Sep 2008 18:05 |
well that seems fair given the above comparrisons...
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Blizzard
Coventry,
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Daytona 955i (04->)
01 Sep 2008 18:55 |
Quote:
Interesting that in the German "Motorrad" magazine 50,000 km test the Ducati 1098 has just given up the ghost after 25,000km due to a piston cracking.
The Triumph Sprint, in contrast, after 50,000 km, got the highest score of any bike, better than the Honda VFR and various BMWs (although since then the CBF 1000 has scored better). |
all that goes to prove is that all bikes break down at some point. If I had a 1098 to use that wasn't mine I'd thrash it to death and the chances are is that it would break. A ST is tourer so harder to thrash so harder to break.
given the points the German mags award it looks like the duller the bike the higher the points you get.
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X-Man
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01 Sep 2008 19:06 |
yup.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
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Daytona 955i (04->)
01 Sep 2008 19:13 |
bet the Ducati lost points for not having ABS
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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01 Sep 2008 19:31 |
should have used a Ducati ST4RS instead.....
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slim jim
lancaster,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
03 Sep 2008 16:41 |
I read somewhere a while ago that any bikes made in Thailand would be for the US market only and not go on sale in the UK. Is that bollocks?
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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03 Sep 2008 18:07 |
oh the Americans will just love buying British bikes made in Thailand......
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Blizzard
Coventry,
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Daytona 955i (04->)
03 Sep 2008 18:12 |
assembled not made
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X-Man
Chesterfield/Derbys,
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03 Sep 2008 18:16 |
assembled from Thai made parts.....
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Blizzard
Coventry,
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Daytona 955i (04->)
03 Sep 2008 18:23 |
and British/Japanese/wherever the other bits are sourced from
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X-Man
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03 Sep 2008 18:35 |
ok...but as I understand it most of it is made overseas now especialy for foreign markets....? even the engines.
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Blizzard
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Daytona 955i (04->)
03 Sep 2008 18:39 |
AFAIK the engines are still made in Hinckley
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X-Man
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03 Sep 2008 18:44 |
thought someone recently posted that the cases were now cast abroad somewhere.......
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Robster
Wiltcestershire,
United Kingdom
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
03 Sep 2008 19:16 |
What the guide chappie said today was that Triumph , unlike other manufacturers wanted to bring all its manufacturing in house instead of outsourcing.
The 2 factories in Thailand are currently making the bonnie and will also make the engine castings and cranks in future also the plastic will get produced over their.
This is to keep quality at a premium rather than depending on outside companies.
Sounds like they have a good idea here......
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Bob Southgate
London,
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Sprint ST (02-04)
04 Sep 2008 14:04 |
There is one problem there. How Triumph define premium quality.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
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Sprint ST (05->)
04 Sep 2008 14:15 |
Article in this weeks MCN, about BMW's increasing quality control problems.
They blame it on hugely increased production. 40% in 4 years iirc.
Trust Triumph don't go down the same route, bearing in mind ever increasing sales.
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X-Man
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04 Sep 2008 14:39 |
think its a bit late to worry according to some owners on here.....
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
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Sprint ST (05->)
04 Sep 2008 15:35 |
And t595 is representative ?..
Who knows what the proportion of warranty/sales figures is. Probably only Triumph themselves.
fwiw: my '06 ST has been notably less trouble than my '01 RS.
Tho my 2 previous bikes to the RS were nigh on trouble free, despite hailing from a certain Bologna factory
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X-Man
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04 Sep 2008 15:56 |
truoble free and quality control do not neccesarily equate....a shit quality bike thats rust away from under you but never breaks down has issues.....
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§peêd†riÞ
Surrey/Hants border,
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
04 Sep 2008 16:01 |
a definition of Quality could simply be 'conforming to requirements' thus a Ducati could be regarded as quality as much as a Roller.
now what point was I trying to make
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
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Sprint ST (05->)
04 Sep 2008 16:03 |
Not sure I've seen too many Triumph owners with "a shit quality bike thats rust away from under you"
Not far off BMW/Honda and certainly better than your average Suzuki for eg
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
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Sprint ST (05->)
04 Sep 2008 16:04 |
ST - that a Ducati handles like a roller ?
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§peêd†riÞ
Surrey/Hants border,
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
04 Sep 2008 16:05 |
ah, along those lines proll
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X-Man
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04 Sep 2008 16:15 |
or leaks oil from the engine cases.....al la rocket3....
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Harry
Newcastle,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
06 Sep 2008 14:39 |
My ST1050 is 4th new Triumph & worst quality of them all.
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sam wilman
portsmouth,
United Kingdom
Posts: 11
Daytona T595 (97-98)
09 Sep 2008 12:02 |
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X-MAN, I think if your so passionate about italian bikes then you are on the wrong site!!
2:
I also own a ducati monster, aswel as a t595 and my personal opinion is that the quality of parts on the 595 is better! painting and plating is far better on my 595!
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Bob Southgate
London,
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09 Sep 2008 16:52 |
But they were better built back then (apart from the 4th gear ) than they are now. Build quality has certainly deteriorated since 2003.
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Harry
Newcastle,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34
Sprint ST (05->)
09 Sep 2008 17:50 |
Bob I agree 100% and think maybee Triumph know too if they still listen to feedback from owners. Also all the press can,t be wrong about finish & build quality of newer models, Ive certainly expierienced quality issues.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
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Daytona 955i (04->)
09 Sep 2008 18:51 |
A lot of the finish 'problems' with the newer models is down to the fact that everyone has to now use water based paints.
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Harry
Newcastle,
United Kingdom
Posts: 34
Sprint ST (05->)
09 Sep 2008 21:01 |
Honda etc seem to manage ok with new paint tecnologies, also I think Triumph have a lot more other quality and finish problems to address. One thing that attracted me to the make was the quality of the product, that now seems to be lacking.
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Wobs
Derby,
United Kingdom
Posts: 62
Daytona 675 (06->)
09 Sep 2008 23:21 |
What is it about your ST that's lacking in quality?
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Harry
Newcastle,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
10 Sep 2008 00:22 |
The general quality of parts and finish don,t seem to be as good. Its standing in the garage next to my earlier sprint which has just over 60000 miles on clock and bolts and engine cases are showing signes of corrosion already. When new after picking it up the left hand indicator had fell off by the time I got home 20 mile. Within a month the stitching of the seat was coming away like a cheap T shirt, it developed an oil leak, a sub frame bolt was loose when dealer tried to repair it had been fitted crossed and snapped, paint on fuel tank cap coming away runs on paint on mudgaurd. I would have thought quality control would have picked up some of the faults. The older sprint has less signes of corrosion on casings bolts & fittings etc, and generaly seems a better quality product. I also had no warranty claims or recalls with the older machine. The Daytona that I traded in for the ST also seemed of better build quality.
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rockfordfuc_wit
Hemel Hempstead,
United Kingdom
Posts: 29
Speed Triple T509 (97-98)
15 Sep 2008 13:05 |
<patriot> My oil leak definitiely identifies my T509 as British! </patriot>
<patirot> Slinks away and hides </patriot>
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Obi Wan
Angles of the East,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,439
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
20 Sep 2008 21:19 |
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My '06 has had various parts replaced under warranty, the black paint is hopeless and marks at the slightest touch - my '02 was a much better finish altogether.
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mick durbin
boulder colo./u.s.a.,
USA
Posts: 174
Daytona T595 (97-98)
25 Oct 2008 21:12 |
i read in one of the cycle mags that parts like turn signals aand foot pegs and some of the hang on parts for HARLEY D's are china made.
the thing about triumph that brasses me is they make a big deal in 2000 when the tt 600 4 bangers come out.."were going to give the asians a run for their money , blaa blaa..( so i buy 2 of them and love them !) then they drop the 4 banger TT600' and TT 650's and the Daytona 1200 , a great bike by the way....and go to twins and tripples. I'll never buy one , new anyway , i'll wait and find out what all the foibles are. Plus the 675 looks like a cool yamaha not something British at all. (thats what i like about the TT600's and the T-595 and the 955i......)
plus with all the new great products we don't see a factory race team....no confidence in their product is what i get out of it.
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mick durbin
boulder colo./u.s.a.,
USA
Posts: 174
Daytona T595 (97-98)
25 Oct 2008 21:20 |
P.S. I bought one of the first 10 honda inteceptor's in denver 1983... i ran it for 11 years. 140 mph+ no issues!! bullet proof. If I change brands it will be Honda .
they race .
they win .
and in most cycle mags the 850 interceptor is considered the best all round cycle you can buy.....
(about $8000, i think)
when i bought mine i had the sales man help me rremove 11 Honda sticker from the bike.. i thought he was going to cry...my thinking was it's so unique that anyone that was hipp would know what i was riding! so buy that honda rocket, take off all the badging and put union jack stickers on it...that will screw some people up !
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