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The Rt Hon Captain Trumpy
07 Fartblid sussex,
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,264
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Enthusiast
27 Aug 2008 14:35 |
With the price of oil and no mains gas where I live I fancy a woody!
Anyone know much about them.
Are they any good?
Why are they so expensive for whats just a cast iron box with a hole in?
Do you have to line the chimney?
Any recommendations?
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jimmyj
Land of Black Prince,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,253
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Daytona 955i (04->)
27 Aug 2008 14:45 |
Not cheap (from what I can gather talking to someone last night) at around £1k - 7.5kW output though and some don't have to have lined flue - summit about using pre-heated air through a heat exchanger air for cleaner burning? They weigh aton of course so you need a pretty solid floor..
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 Loonytoon
Southampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 230
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
27 Aug 2008 14:46 |
Although generally known as wood burners, make sure you get a "multi fuel burner" which as the name suggests means you can burn wood, coal, peat etc. Villager is a well known make (and the make of mine) Expensive? If you plan burning anything that is not not fully seasoned it would be worth lining your chimney. I mainly burn dry wood and a bit of coal if I want it to burn overnight without a chimney liner and have had no bleed thru.....
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 15:14 |
I`ve got the same as `The Loony`...a Villager `multi fuel burner and it`s great. I chuck anything in it (within reason) and it all goes up the chimney. I`ve got a stainless flue liner and in the winter I`ve had it burning for days without putting it out. I boil pans of water on it too and heat up food too.
You can open the doors and have an open fire and my house is small so it`ll heat the whole place...
Yes they are expensive but should last for ever and they`re heavy as they`re cast iron (to keep the heat), wooden ones were a flop..
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 15,773
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Sprint RS (02-05)
27 Aug 2008 15:18 |
very good at burning sheep carcases I hear SP, is that true? 
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 15:21 |
When I saw you had answered B84 I just KNEW you`d say something about burning sheep carcasses...I must have ESP...
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Berlin84
Dresden, Sachsen,
Germany
Posts: 15,773
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Sprint RS (02-05)
27 Aug 2008 15:22 |
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 15:23 |
Oh and Trumpy...get one with an `airwash` system...keeps the woodburners glass clean...
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Charley Boorman's Chunky Sibling
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 28,538
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Speed Triple (95-96)
27 Aug 2008 15:39 |
My neighbour's just installed a wood burning stove in his lounge. You can walk round the fucker and the floo/chimney go's up through the ceiling and up into back bedroom, then up throught the bedroom ceiling into the roof space. He lives in a terrace house. By fuck that back bedroom's gonna be hot when he fires the stove up 
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The Rt Hon Captain Trumpy
07 Fartblid sussex,
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,264
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27 Aug 2008 15:40 |
Generally a thumbs up then eh!
I have access to cheap/free wood and often burn coal on an open fire through the winter anyway, so a multifuel seems a good plan as I would expect it to burn more slowly.
Its a toughy because I do enjoy my open fires in the winter, toasting me cheesy wotsits etc, but I do get through a large amount of coal and wood and reckon a stove might be much more efficient.
I guess I'm just not sure if seeing the flames through the glass window will be as satisfying as the real thing?
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Charley Boorman's Chunky Sibling
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 28,538
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Speed Triple (95-96)
27 Aug 2008 15:41 |
Always best to keep the flames on the inside
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 15:43 |
That`s the same as mine Paul. My fireplace stands in the middle of the room (you can walk round it) and the woodburner sits in the fireplace...the chimney goes up between the landing and the back bedroom and it heats the bedroom too. It kicks out enough heat that if you keep the upstairs doors open it`ll heat the whole house...
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 15:45 |
You can, once its got going open the doors and then you can have a real fire as well...
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The Rt Hon Captain Trumpy
07 Fartblid sussex,
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,264
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27 Aug 2008 15:48 |
What size/kilowatts thingy are you guys running? Looking at the pics on stoves.com I guess about 4 to 5 kilowatts???
I've got oil fired heating for water and C/H but just fancy a nice cosy heat source for the lounge. Existing chimney breast goes up through bedroom anyway so it all helps.
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 15:54 |
Woodburners have a baffle in the flue so that the heat, heats the cast iron casing which then radiates outwards, unlike an open fire where most of the heat goes up the chimney.
Most should also have a valve in the flue which you can open and close so that when you're not using it, there's no down draft.
Wood is best dried/seasoned for a year or 2 before use.
Mr P:
Oh and Trumpy...get one with an `airwash` system...keeps the woodburners glass clean |
I believe it's actually a ceramic derivative believe it or not......or so I've been told.
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 15:59 |
You`re probably right `O Learned Monkey as the glass seems to get red hot, I`ve often wondered why it`s never cracked. Trumpy, not sure about the Kw of mine tho` it can kick out the heat.
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 16:02 |
mr P:
I`ve often wondered why it`s never cracked. |
There is a scientific explanation but bearing in mind you're from Suffolk I'll give you the easy version.
'Tis witchcraft I tell ye!!!!!
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Gav
Leeds,
United Kingdom
Posts: 221
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 16:02 |
I used to have a coalbrook dale severn until a few years ago - ripped the fuc**r out as it was a pain in the bum - it had a backboiler fitted so we used it to run the entire heating/hot water. There was nothing worse than getting back from a cold night at work to find that the bast**d thing had gone out which meant you had to clean it out, relay and start the fire - by the time it had built up heat it was time to go to bed. With the price of coal I still reckon that I'm saving money with gas, even with the recent price hikes.
I do miss the nice warm glow in the kitchen though but I'm sure I could sort that out with a few red light bulbs.
One thing to watch out for though, if you are burning wood you will almost certainly get a build up of creosote. This will burn through your chimney lining and if left untreated will corode your bricks in your chimney (don't know if you ever seen black bricks on a house following the line of the chimney). I know a bloke who rebuilds/relines chimneys and he has tried alsorts but says the only thing to do is replcae the bricks and reline the chimney once this happens.
The other tip I found was don't bother to pay for a chimney sweep, if you go to Screwfix you can buy some drain rods and a chinmey sweep brush attachment for £20 (which is less than my sweep used to charge for a visit) and you can do it yourself. With all the soot you get out of the chimney (hopefully into a bag and not all over your house) you can spread it on your garden - its an excellent fertaliser and keeps the slugs off your lettice 
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 16:04 |
Given that there are baffles in the flue, a lot of woodburners have an outside hatch to access the chimney which makes life easy
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 16:07 |
...Knackers...
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. Ash .
Skating Away...,
New Caledonia
Posts: 11,438
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Speed Triple (05->)
27 Aug 2008 16:08 |
One of the guys who worked for the company that did my loft conversion a few years back used one - he said he hadn't paid a penny in fuel bills for his house in the years since he put it in - but then he did have access to tons and tons (literally) of wood for free! Judging by the sheer volume of wood they removed when doing our conversion he wasn't going to be paying a penny for years to come either 
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. Ash .
Skating Away...,
New Caledonia
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Speed Triple (05->)
27 Aug 2008 16:09 |
BUT...........
do they sound better with the baffles removed?  
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 16:10 |
Only if you're sat up by the chinmey pot
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§peêd†riÞ
Surrey/Hants border,
United Kingdom
Posts: 41,675
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
27 Aug 2008 16:32 |
I've got a 34 Wagon if that helps CT
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Paolo
Kent,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,525
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27 Aug 2008 16:41 |
Lots of good info here.
http://www.stovesonline.co.uk/
Try to let your wood season for 2 years, if you can, before burning it.
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Ducatiman
Bedfordshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 2,799
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 16:59 |
we have a villager multi fuel with a back boiler on it for hot water !! come winter time if its not nailed down ill burn the fucker !! & sometimes when it is nailed down !! we have a green lane near us & we go up with the chainsaw in the rangy & chop up loads of felled trees !! find it works best when you have a small bed of coal under the wood !! eveyone who comes in says " oh a lovely real fire " but the fuckers don't have to clean & light the fucker !! i think it brings out the caveman hunter gatherer in me !! ug ug ug
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§peêd†riÞ
Surrey/Hants border,
United Kingdom
Posts: 41,675
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Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
27 Aug 2008 17:04 |
thought you looked familiar !
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 17:06 |
So did I.
http://www.shadowmillprod.....ery/caveman.jpg
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Ducatiman
Bedfordshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 2,799
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 17:09 |
WOOOMAANNNNNN ug ug ug well i have got a hairy back & crack !!!! must be the missing link !!
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 17:11 |
Yes, we've seen it....it's a "reverse badger" 
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Ducatiman
Bedfordshire,
United Kingdom
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 17:13 |
you'd be pleased to have that much hair !!!.............................................................on ya head !!!
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 17:14 |
Not with klingons and sesame seeds stuck to it
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Ducatiman
Bedfordshire,
United Kingdom
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 17:17 |
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Bugbear
Vienne (86),
France
Posts: 4,028
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Sprint ST (05->)
27 Aug 2008 17:40 |
We have a 13kw Supra that will burn half-metre logs.
Couple of tips,
Sweep chimney well before installing tubing.
Seasoned Oak is by far the best wood to burn.
Never use pine unless you're on good terms with the Pompiers.
Sweep tubing annually.
Get yourself a chestnut pan....................delicious.
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. Ash .
Skating Away...,
New Caledonia
Posts: 11,438
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Speed Triple (05->)
27 Aug 2008 18:57 |
Quote:
Not with klingons and sesame seeds stuck to it |
You forgot the errant piece of sweetcorn!......
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
27 Aug 2008 19:06 |
I've got a petrol hedge trimmer that could probably just about cope with that claggy mess
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Depth Charge Ethel
Chi,
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,166
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 19:12 |
If you want something more attractive, you should try a Vermont Stove. I installed one in our thatched cottage. I chose one that could burn coal as well as wood, as the hotter temperatures achieved with coal reduced the 'tar' build up. The chimney was lined with a s/s liner with insulate introduced to the annulus, again to reduce build up of 'tar' which is a fire risk.
If burning purely wood, ensure it is seasoned, again to reduce 'tar ' build up.
E
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Deacs
London,
United Kingdom
Posts: 394
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
27 Aug 2008 22:53 |
other half has been looking at wood burners for some of the cattages - depending on what you want to do (i.e. heat a room, the whole house etc) they seem to start at around £300'ish on fleabay
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jimmyj
Land of Black Prince,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,253
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Daytona 955i (04->)
28 Aug 2008 07:27 |
Overall then sounds like a good idea but I never realised there were so many Villager people on this site...
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Ducatiman
Bedfordshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 2,799
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
28 Aug 2008 07:40 |
 " i said young man theres a place you can go " 
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steve@work
north oxon,
United Kingdom
Posts: 313
Enthusiast
28 Aug 2008 07:50 |
Hillbillies comes to mind  ............but ...............
I have seen pics of ducatiman so maybe village people is'nt so far off the mark afterall
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Ducatiman
Bedfordshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 2,799
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
28 Aug 2008 07:58 |
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Bugbear
Vienne (86),
France
Posts: 4,028
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Sprint ST (05->)
28 Aug 2008 08:00 |
Bollocks...........................................
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Ducatiman
Bedfordshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 2,799
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
28 Aug 2008 08:40 |
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Red Monkey
Swinging in a tyre,
United Kingdom
Posts: 18,987
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Daytona 955i (99-01)
28 Aug 2008 09:00 |
He's obviously seen your nads dangling like a turkey's neck in your badger arse photo
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Depth Charge Ethel
Chi,
United Kingdom
Posts: 3,166
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
28 Aug 2008 10:37 |
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Bluedogz
Havre de Grace, MD,
USA
Posts: 4,561
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28 Aug 2008 14:38 |
[edited]:
We've got a small one off in a side room that heats the whole friggin house. For some reason the cats love to snuggle up to it in the winter till they're hot to the touch. Heats the whole house. Those talking about the seasoned wood are right-we only sweep out the flues every 2 years or so.
Trumpy:
With the price of oil and no mains gas where I live I fancy a woody!
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Suffolk Punch
The Girthmaster....,
United Kingdom
Posts: 10,203
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
28 Aug 2008 17:41 |
We are all grown men Bluedogz and must resist...must rrrresssissst such childishness that you are blatantly suggesting...tho` it`s hard (just like Trumpys woody)..
...damn, I never had much will power...
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