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ibast
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 50
Daytona 955i (99-01)
02 Oct 2008 00:38 |
Starting has always been a bit variable on the bike. When I first got it it cranked too slow and took long enough to fire to make me worried. I got used to it and sometimes it fired quick smart anyway. I just assumed I would need a battery soon and have thought less and less about it.
About a week ago it refused to start after I refilled with petrol. Strange because I'd had about 45 min of continuous running before I stopped to refill. It cranked over on the started really slowly and didn't fire. Luckily it was on a bit of a hill so a rolled and cranked it on the starter and got it started and went to work, fully expecting I'd have to get one of the graduates to give me a push in the afternoon.
In the afternoon it fired brilliantly, even though the fan run a bit after I stopped when I got to work????
Then it was fine for a few days.
Next time I went to refill it did the same thing?????
This time it was on the flat and I didn't run the battery down as much trying to start it. I put it in second (from memory) and got it up to a quick walking pace and pressed the starter (with the clutch still in) and it fire without struggling.
What the beguck is going on?
How could refilling hinder my starting? Fuel light coming off effecting the ECU?
Maybe it's the neutral override not working properly. When I put it in second and had the clutch in, I bypassed it.
Any thoughts?
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Adrian F
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Australia
Posts: 1,013
Daytona T595 (97-98)
02 Oct 2008 02:06 |
[edited]:
As a start, what state is the battery in and how old is it? Secondly when were the valve clearances last checked?
See also:
http://www.t595.net/messa.....well/74313.aspx
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ibast
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 50
Daytona 955i (99-01)
02 Oct 2008 03:54 |
Yeah I think replacing the battery is the next step. It's just that sometimes it cranks really hard and starts promptly.
I've not checked the tappets, but they don't sound tappety and I can't see that causing a slow crank. It mMay cause a reluctance to fire, but that's not really whats happening.
It's only reluctant to fire because it's cranking too slowly.
I assume the same goes for the crank angle sensor though someone may be able to confirm/deny this.
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Adrian F
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Australia
Posts: 1,013
Daytona T595 (97-98)
02 Oct 2008 06:08 |
Hook it up to a car battery (when engine is cold and hot) if it starts readily then there's your answer
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Tail End Paddy
Hampshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 189
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
02 Oct 2008 16:05 |
Check your battery terminals. Make sure they are done up tight. Use a spanner rather than a screwdriver.
If not tight, it can either seem like a flat or completely dead battery.
Had exactly the same symptoms on mine a couple of times.
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jez
J23 on the 1,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,078
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
03 Oct 2008 15:59 |
ibast, just read your post. Mine was doing exactly the same as yours - unpredictable starting. Your battery is fooked mate. Get yourself a good quality sealed AGM (Absorbed Glass Matt) battery with about 190 CCA (Cold Cranking Amps). A company called Tayna sell them for about 60 quid. Best thing I ever did. No more starting problems at all.
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Z
New York,
USA
Posts: 24
Daytona 955i (04->)
05 Oct 2008 02:31 |
Good you brought this topic up again. I have this problem since the time I got my 2004 Daytona 955i this Spring 2008. It will start at the outset then once you shut it off after considerable time of running it will not start, you have to wait at least 15-20 minutes for it to fire up or push it if you have the help. The battery has been changed to a new one, the plugs, the coolant sensor as per advise by Triumph America and it still it wont start immediately after use. You have to wait for the temp to go down to about 150F or lower or give it time to cool down. It has 12,000 miles on it and no valve adjustment has been done on it yet. Could this be the problem or should I experiment on changing the cranking sensor as a process just like what I did with the coolant sensor? It will crank but will not fire then after several tries it will start a clicking sign? Labor cost in my area is quite high and would rather spend the $ in changing the parts instead please advise, thank you.
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jez
J23 on the 1,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,078
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
05 Oct 2008 08:35 |
Z, that sounds like it's either the crankshaft position sensor breaking down when hot or it could be that your valves need adjusting (opening up when hot - low compression) I'd check the crank sensor first (cheaper and less work) If it aint that then do your valves - they're due anyway.
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Z
New York,
USA
Posts: 24
Daytona 955i (04->)
06 Oct 2008 00:38 |
Jez,
Thanks a lot, I will change the crankshaft position sensor and keep you posted. About the valves, what signs should I look for that it needs adjustment?
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ibast
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 50
Daytona 955i (99-01)
08 Oct 2008 02:00 |
Z,
Can I ask what your bike is doing when it is not starting?
Is it turning over on the starter motor at the normal speed but not firing or is it turning over more slowly?
btw I've since filled with fuel once more and had no problem re-starting. Fired quite hard actually.
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jez
J23 on the 1,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,078
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
08 Oct 2008 12:57 |
Z, here's a test for the cps. it should be 1.3 Kohms +/- 10% . Hope this helps.
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Z
New York,
USA
Posts: 24
Daytona 955i (04->)
09 Oct 2008 03:57 |
ibast,
It is turning over on the starter motor at the normal speed but not firing after running it for some time. I had to stop so as not to kill the battery, just have to wait for it to cool down a bit and it will start again.
jez,
I am just waiting for the new cps, once installed will keep you posted.
Thanks a lot for the concern of both you guys.
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Z
New York,
USA
Posts: 24
Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Oct 2008 01:39 |
Ibast/Jez
Installed the new CPS and new overhead cam gasket, got it started. Run it around the block, switch off the engine several times and it is now re-starting fine event at high temp. The problem that I am encountering now is the engine light wont shut off?
Checked visually the oil level and any leak around the engine and they look OK? Do I need a Tuneboy or a OBDII to erase the initial trouble codes to turn off the engine lights? Should I give it more running time and use or reset the fuses? Is this now a relay or ECU problem?
I will run it again and observe it tomorrow and keep you posted but please advise, thank you.
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 Boycie
Valhöll,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,118
Premier Member
Speed Triple (05->)
16 Oct 2008 08:30 |
If you are talking about the MIL then it will reset ater 3 full hot/cold cycles of the engine if the fault has been removed
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Z
New York,
USA
Posts: 24
Daytona 955i (04->)
17 Oct 2008 13:26 |
Boycie,
Rode the bike again last night, it started fine with the MIL light on. But I was to get gas, the dash instrument lights just shut off and could not get it started again as if the battery is fully drained. Had to towed it back home sinc eit will not start anymore. does it need a major valve job by now please advise, thank you.
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Z
New York,
USA
Posts: 24
Daytona 955i (04->)
17 Oct 2008 13:28 |
Jez/Ibast
Could this be just an electrical problem probably on the relay please advise, thank you.
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Boycie
Valhöll,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,118
Premier Member
Speed Triple (05->)
17 Oct 2008 13:44 |
Sounds electrical now ...
#1 check fuses ...
did you get any response from the bike or was it just completely dead? .. whirring fuel pump ... starter ...
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Tail End Paddy
Hampshire,
United Kingdom
Posts: 189
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
17 Oct 2008 15:51 |
Still reckon it's the battery terminals.
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Z
New York,
USA
Posts: 24
Daytona 955i (04->)
17 Oct 2008 17:36 |
I really have had it with this bike, will just bring it to a reliable dealer with 40 years experience. Most likely will cost me a an arm & a leg, they are known for that and just sell it once fix. Lesson of the story on my end is not to buy used bikes with high miles on it (13,100) in the future.
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Boycie
Valhöll,
United Kingdom
Posts: 9,118
Premier Member
Speed Triple (05->)
17 Oct 2008 18:16 |
Stick with it Z ... you'll love it once we bottom out these niggly problems ...
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ibast
Sydney,
Australia
Posts: 50
Daytona 955i (99-01)
19 Oct 2008 22:01 |
[edited]:
Z,
yours definitely sounds electrical, so I wouldn't worry about major engine work if I were you. A bloke at work had an RS that he had all sorts of electrical problems with.
In the end he stripped the bike down, pulled apart every electrical connector and put it back together. After that he had very few problems.
He came to the conclusion there was surface corrosion some of the terminals.
BTW I've refilled mine a few times now and had no problems. I had a slight hesitation on Friday after a refill, but otherwise it's been starting strongly at all times.
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