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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
12 Aug 2007 16:50 |
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The suspension linkage has a bolt through it that goes into the swingarm. You undo the bolt and draw it out on the right side which leaves the bearing sleeve in place.
My problem is I need to draw out the sleeve to remove the suspension linkage.
There is a thread on the inside of the sleeve which the haynes manual says just thread a bolt into it and draw the sleeve out with a pair of pliers on the bolt head. Ok, so far so good in theory.
Ive threaded a bolt into the internal thread but the sleeve is not moving. Ive tightened the bolt up as tight as I dare to see if I could turn the sleeve but it wont turn, and Ive had a pair of grips on the bolt head and been tapping it pretty hard outwards but its not going to budge. Ive soaked it in penetrating oil but dont want to go too mad with that because I dont want to get it into the bearings if possible.
How do I get the damn sleeve out so I can grease the bearings?
Ive got to grease them as all the other bearings on the linkage were almost dry of grease so I must assume these are as well.
Thanks in advance for any help I get.
By the time I finish stripping this and rebuilding it Ill be a hexpert 
(Just to prepare you all, once the back end is back together, its forks out and new fork oil next )
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Blue
Melbourne,
Australia
Posts: 425
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
12 Aug 2007 17:21 |
hey pump...there's a way to get it out I learned from halfords website here's the link to the page and also a pic fromm his website. You just keep slipping a spanner over the sleeve and under the bolt as you draw it out... works great and will make more sense when you actually try it.
http://www.richard-halfor.....jor_service.htm
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
12 Aug 2007 20:06 |
That makes perfect sense from the picture.
Why didnt I think of that
And thats a really usefull web page as well. Many thanks for that
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Kahuna
Banglatown,
United Kingdom
Posts: 454
Speed Triple T509 (97-98)
12 Aug 2007 22:03 |
I just bought a m14 oil sump bolt from halfords, grabbed it with some multi grips and levered it out. Worked a treat.
http://www.t595.net/messa.....1&highlight=
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Erick
MV Agusta in Paris..,
France
Posts: 3,837
Enthusiast
13 Aug 2007 08:38 |
pump, once you're there, you may as well replace the bearings and their seals... don't you think ?
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
13 Aug 2007 10:40 |
There is no play at all on any of the bearings, they are all operating smoothly and are very clean, just on the last legs of the existing grease.
No point in changing them for the sake of it is there?
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Erick
MV Agusta in Paris..,
France
Posts: 3,837
Enthusiast
13 Aug 2007 10:44 |
was just wondering... On mine the bearings were shot quite quickly, but if you confirm all is well, then perfect !
I have posted the ISO references of the bearings and seals in a different post, if you ever need that...
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Blue
Melbourne,
Australia
Posts: 425
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
13 Aug 2007 12:56 |
Mine were fine too...just needed grease. I have read a lot of you having shot bearings fairly quickly due to the wet weather, could also be due to high salt content.
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Erick
MV Agusta in Paris..,
France
Posts: 3,837
Enthusiast
13 Aug 2007 12:59 |
I was riding the thing everyday, winters included, so it didn"t help I guess.
Replaced the bearings twice in 80000 kms.
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Geordie Blackett
Burnley,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,361
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
14 Aug 2007 21:24 |
be carefull when drawing the sleeve out keep it level or you could breakit that'll be 50 quid please Photo Album Image
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
14 Aug 2007 23:40 |
[edited]:
Thanks for the warning. Its well heeded.
Im having a real problem getting it out, its a real bastard aint it...
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As you can see Ive managed to get it out this far. As it sits it is loose but I cant get it out any further.
The second half pulls through the hole a little over halfway, then stops.
Ive made a metal tube that site over it and the nut screws into the end to draw it out. But its just not shifting the last bit.
I tighten the bolt up in the tube to the point where its about to strip the thread if I tighten it any further, but it just stops.
From having the draw bolt that tight, I can push it back with my fingers, and if I pull it, I can pull it till I feel it stop against something.
Its like the hole is too small, or there is a ledge inside that stops coming any further. Ive oiled it, greased it, you name it.
Ive spent three hours this evening trying to get it out, but its just not willing.
As you can see the face is corroded, so its possible that Ill need another anyway if I cant clean it up, but first Ive got to get the bastard out.
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Blue
Melbourne,
Australia
Posts: 425
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
15 Aug 2007 09:38 |
good ol british weather.... thats pretty corroded. maybe the corrosion on the other end is keeping it in.
just a suggestion here
...try pushing the sleeve in so the other end of it is visible in the gap between the needle rollers. if any big corroded bumps are visible, they could be the culprits. Try chipping them off uhm..somehow.
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Ray Davies
Bedworth, Warks.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 49
Daytona 955i (02CE, 03)
15 Aug 2007 12:55 |
Lucky me managed to borrow the tool for the job - a slide hammer with suitable bolt welded to end to screw in & draw out the offending spindle - an absolute doddle. Seem to remember used a car scissor jack under the swinging arm or shock to position pivot shaft clear of exhaust (2002 single sided Daytona). The pivot shaft has a smaller diameter in the middle with the ends a larger diameter to sut the needle roller brgs - you're fouling on the step between the 2 diameters. With the slide hammer a bit of jiggling was all that was necessary, with your method!!!
Saw a slide hammer kit for sale at a large outdoor market for £25 with all sorts of adaptors, should have bought it.
My bike 5 years old with 40k miles had to replace everything, not much grease evident, all shafts badly pitted by needles.
Again lucky me got dealer to fit bearings into link - I just did the seals & they were a right bastard with no lead in.
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
15 Aug 2007 16:57 |
[edited]:
I had a chat with a mechanic from Carl Rosner on the phone this afternoon, and he reckons whats most likey happened is that the bearings are shot due to the corrosion, and as the thinner middle section has passed through the bearings on the right hand side of the drop link, they have dropped one or more needle rollers which has been drawn into the hole in the swingarm which causes the last part of the sleeve to jamb.
Apparantly it happens quite a lot particulaly if the sleeve is corroded which mine is.
Solution is:
Hours of jiggling it about trying to dislodge the needle roller, or cut the fucker in half and replace it with a new sleeve and new bearings.
Looking at the face of the sleeve that the bearings actually travel on, its corroded and pitted and Im doubtful if I can save it to a good enough state anyway.
I feel a grinder moment coming on tonight.
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Blue
Melbourne,
Australia
Posts: 425
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
15 Aug 2007 18:19 |
how many Kms on your bike pump?
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
15 Aug 2007 18:43 |
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12.5k.
Its a 2003 reg bike. When I bought this one just over a year ago, it had a 2.5k on it. (I dont understand people who do this, buy a bike and dont ride it...)
Ive done 10k miles in all weather, rain snow sun, as well as doing not much less on the pan euro as well.
Bikes are bought to be ridden.
Considering how much salt the fuckers put on the roads this year, Im not suprised its corroded to shit. Im sure they do it just to piss me off.
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
15 Aug 2007 23:17 |
[edited]: ITS OUT
Well I got it out in one piece. I greased it, pushed it all the way back in, cleaned out the thiner middle part and pulled it out again.
It must have been a little bit of swarf locking it or a bit of corrosion that had broken off causing a jam like Blue suggested.
And after all that I think Ill have to replace it anyway.
The right hand bearing in the drop link is seized solid and if you look carefully at the rollers they are deformed and flat in places.
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I must assume that the other bearings in the drop link must also be in poor shape at best, so Ill replace all four of them.
The bearing sleeve hasnt faired much better and I think its going to need replacing too. Where the seized bearing has sat round it its been grinding and the needle rollers have caused quite a bit of damage.
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You can see where the smashed rollers were sitting against it and the surface is badly pitted and corroded.
I think if I sleeve this with new bearings, the surface will damage the new bearings and Ill be back where I started.
Im glad I checked it because the drop link cant have been far away from seizing up.
Thanks for all the advice and tips helping me get the bugger out
I spoke too soon earlier when I said all the bearings are ok.
At least the bearings that Id seen previously on the drag link are all ok so I dont have to replace those.
But Ill see how much I can get the bearings for though, and if they dont clean out my bank Ill see how much it costs to replace the lot.
Its making me wonder what shape the swingarm bearings are in.
Ive checked them as much as I can without taking the swingarm out.
It moves smoothly and easily right across its arc. There is no lateral movement at all in any direction and with the wheel on and weight on the bike there is no movement before the suspension compresses so they seem ok.
They arent due for re greasing for another 6k miles.
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Erick
MV Agusta in Paris..,
France
Posts: 3,837
Enthusiast
16 Aug 2007 08:03 |
I'm not surprised they're shot, as I said, mine had 3 sets of bearings throughout her 80000 kms life...
From experience, the SSSA bearings should be OK, they're not getting the same abuse as the drag link ones.
If you get the bearings from Triumph, you'll be off the booze for about a lifetime.
Here's what I posted a few years back:
"The bearing's ISO reference is "HK2020". Stock bearings are shite Japanese stuff (KOYO) Can easily be replaced by INA or SKF, much better quality.
The seal's reference is "G202620" (INA German bearing manufacturer)
Now on to the good part, I called Triumph for the price on stock items:
Triumph: seals are 4.40 Euros each (X10)
Bearing place: 1.98 Euros each
triumph bearings: 24 Euros each (X6)
Bearing place: 4.57 Euros each !!!
sleeves part numbers:
T2057332 (long bottom one)
T2057330 (2 short ones)
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
16 Aug 2007 14:31 |
Having shopped around this is going to be the cost:
From Carl Rosners
Long bearing sleeve £49.35 inc vat
two short sleeves £4.51 inc vat each
Bearing seals £2.93 each inc vat
From Brammer UK Ltd (Guilford)
HK2020 bearings £6.24 each inc vat
Carl Rosner and JL both wanted £15.71+vat for each bearing.
Interestingly, the seals were 50p each cheaper from a triumph dealer than from Brammer.
Anyone else need bearings in this part of the UK, I highly recomend
Brammer UK Ltd
Unit C Perram Works
Merrow Industrial Estate
Guildford
Surrey GU4 7BN
Tel: 01483 569350
Very helpful, very reasonable prices and next morning delivery from thier own delivery driver, so no messing about with the post.
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Blue
Melbourne,
Australia
Posts: 425
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
16 Aug 2007 15:02 |
Pump19:
Long bearing sleeve £49.35 inc vat |
painful 
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
16 Aug 2007 15:07 |
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Indeed. Ask my wallet.
I am now as poor as a church mouse who had his cheese stolen  
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Chris Line
Cowes,Isle of Wight.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,454
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
30 Aug 2007 17:10 |
So am I - all ordered from my Triumph dealer - £185!!!
Proves to me that "Dick Turpin" is alive and well and living in Hinkley!!
OK, bearings were over priced (NO IOW bearing supplier any more?)
But £10 for the SSSA pinch bolt???????????????
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Pump 19
Chessington,
United Kingdom
Posts: 4,609
Speed Triple 955i (02-04)
30 Aug 2007 22:00 |
Really? Wow, its just a standard 50mm M40 bolt isnt it?
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Chris Line
Cowes,Isle of Wight.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,454
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
01 Sep 2007 02:08 |
Yep - for a M14 x 1.5 pitch x ? - cannot get one in SS ...............yet? (I will!)
Though it would probably be cheaper!
£2+ for the bloody washer???
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MrLongbeard
Out There,
United Kingdom
Posts: 17
Speed Triple (05->)
22 Sep 2008 08:39 |
Apologies for grave digging and resurrecting an ancient thread 
Be them there part numbers above apply to 1050 speed triples?
Looks like I'm lucky enough to have saved the top bearing spindle but all 4 bearings and both bottom sleeves are shot
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Rec
Oakworth, West Yorks,
United Kingdom
Posts: 635
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
22 Sep 2008 17:09 |
Glad you did Longbeard, looking at the sleeves I'm a couple of m8's with the skill and equipment to make theses up, I should be able to source the steel from work.
I need to pull my suspension apart this winter and overhaul it
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 Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,469
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
22 Sep 2008 20:31 |
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Those bearing pictures looked very familiar.
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The price seems about right too
I don't use the Triumph in the winter. I think they came out of the factory with virtually fuck all grease
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
22 Sep 2008 20:40 |
Riggsy, I may(will) be calling on your expertise over the winter for the same thing. Beer will be supplied
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Riggsy
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 16,469
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (02)
22 Sep 2008 20:46 |
If it goes anything like mine, BEER will be mandatory. (Not just for me either  )
No Problem mate, I've got all the tools, just give me a couple of days notice to throw the wifes crap out the garage first 
Should be able to get it done within a day. Though, be warned, I had to order the bearing sleeves as neither Windy nor Knotts hold them.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
22 Sep 2008 21:08 |
No problems, I have my supplier for bits and I've got a decent sized garage if it takes more than a day
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
15 Nov 2008 15:07 |
Help needed
I've got the rear end stripped down.
Does anyone in the Coventry area have an M14 bolt to get the top linkage sleeve out ?
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Chris Line
Cowes,Isle of Wight.,
United Kingdom
Posts: 8,454
Premier Member
Speed Triple 955i (99-01)
15 Nov 2008 15:23 |
You have got one (M14 x 1.5 pitch) it's the rear hub/chain pinch bolt!
Be prepared to buy a new one though?
As ~ if the sleeve is stuck?, you will probably knacker the bolt trying!
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Earl
Hiding in the valley,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,303
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
15 Nov 2008 20:17 |
blizz if you have a mate who works on lorrys i made a slide hammer using a bolt m14 metric fine from a daf lorry.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
15 Nov 2008 21:31 |
I've had a look and the sleeve looks well stuck and the bearings look well knackered as well.
The others look OK, if a bit dry
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Earl
Hiding in the valley,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,303
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
16 Nov 2008 09:43 |
blizz are you going to the nec, im going either thurs or fri, you could borrow mine, its too big a lump to post really.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2008 10:30 |
I am going but don't know when. I'll send you a test message if I decide to go either of those days and I haven't sorted it by then
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Earl
Hiding in the valley,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,303
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
16 Nov 2008 13:29 |
no worries.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2008 13:53 |
Update - got it out and it's drier than the Gobi desert
Having given the rest of the bits a clean I looks like they all need replacing
http://www.t595.net/album/album.asp?album=8992
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Earl
Hiding in the valley,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,303
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
16 Nov 2008 14:04 |
blizz when i did mine i polished most of it out with emery, i even did the bit on the swingarm where it passes through,
i used loads of cv boot grease on mine, marine grease works too, when i refitted the sleeve in the swingarm i copper slipped the end where it sits in the arm,
shouldnt have any problem next time, gonna check mine at least every two years now.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2008 14:10 |
Unfortunately I damaged a bit of the sleeve extracting it so I'm not taking any chances with that and given the amount of force required to get it out then I will be replacing it.
I'll see how the other sleeves clean up 
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Earl
Hiding in the valley,
United Kingdom
Posts: 5,303
Premier Member
Daytona T595 (97-98)
16 Nov 2008 14:32 |
cawt
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
Premier Member
Daytona 955i (04->)
16 Nov 2008 14:43 |
I can probably get it in again but I have no confidence that I would be able to get it back out again
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