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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,193
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Sprint ST (05->)
10 Aug 2008 20:16 |
According to Triumph mag, the new Thunderbird will be part of the 2010 range and wont be in the dealers for 12 months.
So why've they printed pictures now, then ?
Triumph don't usually show new models this early.
And....if it's a 2010 model, where's the new models for this year ?
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
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Daytona 955i (04->)
10 Aug 2008 20:18 |
They were launched last year 
the 2009 models are:
Street Triple R
updated 675
updated Bonnie range.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,193
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Sprint ST (05->)
10 Aug 2008 20:20 |
Bl**dy hell Blizz, 2 minutes for a reply 
Tho those sound like updates, not new 'uns to me.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
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Daytona 955i (04->)
10 Aug 2008 20:26 |
The R has a completely different front end to the normal Street so it can be considered a separate model.
The 675 is 3hp up and 3kg lighter, so by Supersport measures this counts as a new model. If Honda/Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki can make that claim why can't Triumph.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,193
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Sprint ST (05->)
10 Aug 2008 20:30 |
Hmm, Street Triple - ok
but just 'cause the Japs do it, dont make it right.
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Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
10 Aug 2008 20:36 |
Well, Triumh really do know how yo make their range of ugly bikes uglier each time they release a new model.
That Thunderchuck even out uglies the Rocket.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,193
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Sprint ST (05->)
10 Aug 2008 20:43 |
The pic in Triumph looks better than the ones published in MCN.
Could still have come from just about any manufacturer tho.
Hardly shouts 'Triumph'
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OggyKnobbs
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United Kingdom
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
10 Aug 2008 21:50 |
According to http://www.triumph-dealernet.co.uk/ Three Cross Motorcycles are taking deposits for the Thunderbird Two Tone @ £9999
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JtheB
Manche, Normandy(50),
France
Posts: 1,479
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
11 Aug 2008 14:11 |
[edited]:
They're calling a new model Thunderbird Two!?!?
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
11 Aug 2008 17:18 |
Maybe they are hoping the credit crunch will be over by then...
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Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
11 Aug 2008 22:12 |
It'll still be ugly though.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,945
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11 Aug 2008 23:09 |
The credit crunch will only affect a % of the population.
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Gus
Houston,
United Kingdom
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
12 Aug 2008 15:53 |
About 95%.
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Charley Boorman's Chunky Sibling
Wiltshire,
United Kingdom
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Speed Triple (95-96)
12 Aug 2008 17:44 |
Paul:
They're calling a new model Thunderbird Two!?!? |
It only comes in green
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
13 Aug 2008 07:19 |
Has it got a "pod" and do you have to ride it across your garden pool?
Looking at the free sampler that MCN kindly post these days, it would appear that the Chon Buri factory in Thailand is getting a massive investment to increase production to over 100,000 units per year.
I wonder if that's why the new TBird wont be in full volume production until mid '09 and if so, how much, if not all of it will be built overseas?
Not knocking the Thai's, just curious?
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,945
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13 Aug 2008 07:34 |
Well it would certainly make sense as they currently build other twins in the Thai factory. Total production of around 140,000 would put them much closer to the big league numbers wise.
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OggyKnobbs
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
13 Aug 2008 09:02 |
[edited]:
I don't know how much the old T'Bird cost but it was far more affordable. It seems Triumph's philosophy is more cubic inches = more £s but it doesn't matter how good or bad it may turn out to be, at 10 grand I can't see it being a major seller.
Why should more CCs = more £s........I'm baffled. Surely it doesn't involve more materials or labour costs 
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
13 Aug 2008 09:50 |
Bit like Polo's. You pay for the hole in the middle.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,945
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13 Aug 2008 10:11 |
Generally speaking it's the same with all vehicles, a 1.1 costs less than a 1.3 even though there would be no more costs involved in making the bigger engine. Same with 600's and litre bikes.
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
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Sprint ST (05->)
13 Aug 2008 10:14 |
Not sure there is much of a link between production cost and selling price.
Manufacturers will charge what they can get away with, hence different prices worldwide.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
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13 Aug 2008 10:27 |
Exactly my point, a 250 is probably not much more expensive to build than a 500 or 600 bu the latter is at least twice the price.
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OggyKnobbs
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
13 Aug 2008 11:32 |
Agreed so wouldn't Triumph sell more if they sold it for say a couple of £K cheaper.......or do they want to keep the brand exclusive for some reason?
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,945
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13 Aug 2008 11:47 |
The thinking usually is that if you allocate a production run of say 2000 and you sell all of them at 10k there is no point selling more cheaper that you can't actually build.
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Al Jackson
Down in the woods,
United Kingdom
Posts: 1,180
Enthusiast
13 Aug 2008 12:23 |
Certain other European bike makers have no trouble at all shifting fugly bikes at £10k a pop.
But that new Thunderbird is aimed squarely at the US market.
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
13 Aug 2008 15:09 |
..and then Triumph discount heavily at the end of year. Bang goes "exclusivity".
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Chizzle d'Chizzledom
Back in the UUKK,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,305
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Speed Triple (05->)
31 Oct 2008 09:50 |
As a non-cruiser fan ... I quite like the look of the Thunderbird.
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
31 Oct 2008 10:56 |
Mike Werner had some snaps on his site. I'll still reserve judgement until i see it in the metal, but i do like it. Interesting alternative to the air cooled stuff..
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
31 Oct 2008 11:00 |
http://news.motorbiker.or.....-motorcycle.htm
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,193
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Sprint ST (05->)
31 Oct 2008 12:46 |
Those pics do make it look a bit different to the average cruiser
Doesn't make it any more likely I'll buy one tho.
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Viking
Valhalla,
Iceland
Posts: 3,297
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Sprint RS (02-05)
31 Oct 2008 18:22 |
[edited]:
not my cup of tea either. at least not yet, not old enough,
ab might like one tho
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
Posts: 792
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
31 Oct 2008 21:33 |
Oggy Knobbs - Discounting isn't that easy.
For instance; take a simple model:
If a company makes 20% profit on a unit and gives a 10% discount on the retail price, it losses half of its profit per unit. So the volume of total sales of that product have to double to simply recover the lost profit through the promotion.
Obviously then sales need to have doubled to acheive nothing in terms of profitability.
Discounting is looking a little bit risky now isn't it.
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
01 Nov 2008 09:58 |
I know it's not the cup of tea of the collective, but the new TBird will suit my needs. A test ride is in order methinks.
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King Caipirinha
Sao Paulo,
Brazil
Posts: 1,020
Enthusiast
01 Nov 2008 20:47 |
I have a problem with radiators that dominate the front of a bike. R3 and Tbird - yuk.
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OggyKnobbs
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
11 Nov 2008 21:39 |
Android I take your point but I wasn't suggesting that Triumph discount the new model more like it is over priced to start with. I guess you get a lot of bike for your money though.
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Fret.
South.,
United Kingdom
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Tiger 1050 (07->)
11 Nov 2008 22:16 |
It's still bastard ugly, no matter how you look at it.
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Android
Dereham, Norfolk,
United Kingdom
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Daytona T595 (97-98)
11 Nov 2008 22:29 |
I agree that the bike is overpriced Oggy. I was in the Honda stealership today and they are selling the new CB1000R for £7,621 OTR, that's sounds good value against £9999 for a T/Bird.
I bought my '51 Sprint ST for £7,300 brand new back then!
Manufacturers make the profit 'cos we all know the stealer doesn't make much on new machines.
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
12 Nov 2008 10:15 |
Got to admit, after seeing some side on shots, i am having second thoughts. Looks like a mid 80s Kwak.
Balls to it.
Hopefully 2010 will see a new Trophy and end my misery....
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Chizzle d'Chizzledom
Back in the UUKK,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,305
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Speed Triple (05->)
12 Nov 2008 10:34 |
I don't think that it's overpriced at £10k in todays market for a 1600cc/100 lb/ft bike of it's type. If the components on it are high enough quality then it will appeal to it's intended market - after all it must be more costly to produce a bike of higher quality as opposed to one that's just faster.
This kind of bike has never normally been my kind of thang, but I can only imagine that a buyer for it would not normally change their bike a often as the buyers of pocket rockets, and so the price tag would take on a different perpective.
Of course, all of that could just be total bollox.
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Spondon****
Boabekistan,
Australia
Posts: 3,945
Enthusiast
12 Nov 2008 20:50 |
I agree, it is definitely on the mark pricewise. If you want overpriced just look at Hardleys.
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King Caipirinha
Sao Paulo,
Brazil
Posts: 1,020
Enthusiast
12 Nov 2008 22:49 |
Sorry guys but I dont think it should be a penny more than a Speed Triple.
I guess as long as they make it appropriately cheaper than an R3 they feel they have a winner.
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Chizzle d'Chizzledom
Back in the UUKK,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,305
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Speed Triple (05->)
13 Nov 2008 11:40 |
Against a Super Glide it's bang on the money and with added ooomph and most likely superior handling!
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Rob BBTB
Birmingham,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,193
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Sprint ST (05->)
13 Nov 2008 12:54 |
Even with better price, engine, handling, brakes, it'll still struggle with traditional H-D buyers.
As the Japanese have found, for the last 30 years.
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Cantbearsed
wolverhampton,
United Kingdom
Posts: 159
Enthusiast
13 Nov 2008 16:18 |
Yep. That is the problem. Why buy an immo when you can buy the real deal kind of thing.
At least BMW have done something original with their lo rider concept.
I reckon the Victory Hammer is the best looking of all the none HD cruisers.
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Blizzard
Coventry,
United Kingdom
Posts: 24,528
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Daytona 955i (04->)
13 Nov 2008 17:35 |
The one thing that Triumph have going for them is that they are a British brand that has a lot more kudos than the Japanese brands in the US.
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Chizzle d'Chizzledom
Back in the UUKK,
United Kingdom
Posts: 7,305
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Speed Triple (05->)
13 Nov 2008 17:44 |
I quite like the look of the Victory 8 Ball ... for a cruiser that is ...
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